Friday, September 9, 2011

Take 2: Irene Mayer Selznick, a Life in Three Acts

Classic Film Boy and The Lady Eve Discuss the Fascinating Irene Mayer Selznick

Welcome to Take 2, a conversation about Irene Mayer Selznick, the daughter of MGM studio head Louis B. Mayer and first wife of famed producer David O. Selznick. Both Classic Film Boy (CFB) and I (TLE) recently read A Private View, Mayer Selznick’s 1983 autobiography.We were impressed by the story of this strong woman who grew up and lived in Hollywood during its golden age and went on to become an esteemed Broadway producer in her own right. CFB invited me to discuss her life with him and, over the past month or so, we did:

CFB: It is great to find another fan of Irene Mayer Selznick’s autobiography. I knew very little about her until I read Scott Berg’s Kate Remembered, his biography of Katharine Hepburn, with whom he became great friends. He was also friends with Irene, and she really intrigued me. By this time it was later in her life, after her autobiography had been published, and I wanted to know more about this woman.

TLE: Over the past few years I’ve had an experience that could be called “all roads
lead to Irene Mayer Selznick” – I kept coming upon interesting references to her as I
read about or researched other subjects. Eventually, I knew I had to get my hands
on her autobiography. This led me to also peruse biographies of her father as well as
David Thomson’s bio of David O. Selznick - primarily to learn more about Irene in
relation to the two key men in her life.

CFB: I’ll need to read the David Thomson book. I’ve read a few others on David O. Selznick. It interests me that several books infer that Irene had an iron will and you didn’t want to cross her. Yet I didn’t get that feel from her autobiography. I guess the truth lies somewhere in between. Still, I very much wish I could have met this woman.

The Mayers: Edie, Louis B., wife Margaret and Irene in the 1920s
You would expect that someone who was brought up in Hollywood during the 1920s would have been part of the jazz age/flapper set. Yet I was amazed at the quiet life Irene and her sister Edie lived. It wasn’t sheltered, but it wasn’t flamboyant, either.

TLE: My impression was that Irene and Edie’s lives under their father’s roof were intensely scrutinized and fairly insulated. Louis B. was vigilant and protective to the point of warning his girls not to become smitten with #1 Hollywood bachelor Irving Thalberg (before he married Norma Shearer) because of his ill health. Irene wrote that they were allowed to socialize with him but were never seated next to him at dinners or events.

Irene seems to me to have been a stifled child. She behaved very self-protectively, careful not to reveal much about her thoughts or feelings to her parents. She had a stammer, something that developed in childhood and apparently lasted most of her life.  Probably the most telling statement she made about her early life was that her parents had given her everything but a sense of her own worth.

Irene and David O. Selznick on the town
Irene grew up to be more her father’s daughter than her mother’s. She was very bright, discerning and determined. And she was a good-looking woman, stylish and modern in her day. I have the impression that David O. Selznick counted on her for quite a bit during their 19-year marriage – which may be why he could never completely let her go. She had been his foundation and sounding board during those years when he achieved the heights.

CFB: Great impressions, and you are on target. I do think Louis B. was overly protective, yet Irene never seemed to shy away from more intellectual pursuits. Where her older sister, Edie, definitely focused on the clothes and societal aspects of life as she came of age, she preferred people whose minds she admired. I enjoyed her fond recollections of William Randolph Hearst (and not-too-fond memories of Marion Davies, who also had a stammer). He treated Irene as a woman with a brain, and she treasured their conversations together. David did the same thing – he recognized that she was his equal in that regard.

As for her father, Irene paints a side of Louis B. in her autobiography that many may not be aware of. She recalls when he – notoriously fond of Americana and family-friendly fare – saw A Streetcar Named Desire, which Irene produced for the stage. Louis B. came to the tryouts in New Haven, and Irene was worried about his reaction. Others were respectful but weren't gushing, but it was Louis B. who pulled Irene into a room and told her, “You don’t have a hit, you’ve got a smash. You wait and see.” She was then shocked to see her father and Elia Kazan, the play’s director, deep in conversation and clearly enjoying each other’s company!

I also agree with you that Irene was a good-looking woman, although Edie didn’t think she put enough into how she looked. I love this from Irene’s book:

Irene and Edie Mayer in the 1920s
Edie to Irene: “Do me a favor, darling. While I want you to look beautiful for yourself, actually I’m being selfish. Everyone thinks I’m years younger than you, but there are some people from way back who remember. So take care of yourself for my sake, because you make me years older than I appear.”

Irene’s response when a friend asked how old Edie was: “She used to be two years older than me. Now she is younger than springtime.”

TLE: You touch on a significant aspect of Irene’s life, her disastrous relationship with her sister, Edie. Theirs was a sibling rivalry that eventually drove them completely apart. Edie had suffered ill-health when she was young and, as a result, received a lot of special parental care and attention. Because it was expected of her, Irene deferred to her “frail” sister’s every whim. As the two grew up, Irene became the more popular of the two and was part of Hollywood’s up-and-coming younger crowd. This didn’t escape Edie's notice.

Edie Mayer Goetz at home...with Van Gogh
Edie was a woman of great social ambition. Her husband, Bill Goetz, was a producer, though not a trailblazer in the way L. B. Mayer or David Selznick were. Mayer brokered Goetz’s partnership at 20th Century Fox and it’s said that the snide inside-the-industry crack “the son-in-law also rises” was aimed as much at Goetz as it was Selznick. Goetz’s most significant film was Sayonara (1957), and it earned an Oscar nomination for Best Picture. He was a canny and forward-thinking businessman and enormously popular in Hollywood. Once the Selznick’s split up, he and Edie were at the heart of its social scene and remained so until his death in 1969. Edie quickly lost her social clout once Goetz died.

Irene’s ambition seems of an entirely different nature. Her inclination was to be in on the action, not a decorative accessory or hostess. Her diary from her teen years includes comments on films she saw at MGM previews. These journal entries reveal Irene to have been perceptive and frank in her observations – even at 17. Her take on Romola (1924): “…L. Gish good as always but didn’t make the most of her opportunities – leading male part should not have been the villain – not enough love interest.”

Irene with her sons Jeffrey and Daniel Selznick
In her book Irene writes that it amused her father to ask her opinion of a movie and then try to argue her out of her point of view. When she was dating Selznick, they went to a preview of a picture of his one night and afterward he asked what she thought of it. Irene replied with noncommittal remarks - and he challenged her, “…speak up; no one’s going to hold it against you. If you’re afraid, I promise you no one will ever know a word you’ve said.” Irene writes that she was afraid but over time she felt free enough to say anything she wanted to him. Selznick told her that he was undoing the damage her father had done.

David Selznick was the younger son of Lewis J. Selznick, L.B. Mayer’s one-time employer and long-time anathema. The Selznick boys were on Mayer’s “off-limits” list for his girls, but Irene and David, once committed, were not to be stopped. It seems to me that Irene may not yet have had a true sense of her own worth, but she was developing a mind and will of her own.

CFB: She clearly had a will of her own, and I like how you track it from those observations about film to her conversations with David. She really needed an iron will, considering the men in her life. She could stand up to her father and husband, so dealing with Edie probably was more frustrating than anything else.

Irene was great friends with Katharine Hepburn, and you know Hepburn was no pushover. Still, Irene spent years in analysis, and she was never afraid to admit it or discuss how it helped her. Perhaps that is what grounded her considering the characters around her.

Katharine Hepburn and Irene in Jamaica, asking directions...
Going back to Berg’s book, he was friends with Irene for nearly 20 years until she died, and it’s a nice companion piece to Irene’s autobiography. He describes her as such when they met in the 1970s:

“I don’t think she was more than five feet tall – with short dark hair in bangs and the shrewdest pair of eyes I have ever seen; and I know she was one of the most powerful presences I have ever beheld. … It would be less than precise to call Mrs. Selznick an extremely difficult person, but she was easily the most challenging I have ever met. One never let down one’s guard with Irene, unless looking to be knocked out or thrown out. Emotional, volatile and analytical, she took nothing at face value, probing layers beneath layers in even the simplest matters.”

Berg was very fond of Irene, and it’s interesting to have this insight when you read her autobiography. Her book was no frivolous undertaking to cash in on her fame, and I believe she took great care to analyze her life before setting it down on paper. 

Eve, I feel like we could talk about Irene for days, but perhaps we should wrap this up. Any final thoughts about this fascinating woman?

TLE: I’d like to talk a bit about Irene Mayer Selznick’s accomplishments after she departed Hollywood. Her family and friends are extremely interesting, of course, and her life was entwined with the history of movies in America, which is covered in her book, but there was more – she managed to reinvent herself and carve out a career of her own in New York.

Irene’s decision to leave Selznick and relocate on the East Coast was bold. She wasn’t sure what she might achieve, but turned to old friends for advice, friends like famed playwright/director Moss Hart who urged her to pursue her dream of becoming a theatrical producer. After a while, she rented an office, hired a general manager and got going. Her first production, an Arthur Laurents play starring Shirley Booth, didn’t get to Broadway but closed after an out of town tryout. Laurents later retooled the play, came up with a new title, but kept Shirley Booth  - who won a Tony for her role. David Lean later adapted it to film; this was Summertime (1955) starring Irene’s good friend Katharine Hepburn.

Final scenes: A Streetcar Named Desire on Broadway, 1947
It was on Irene’s 40th birthday that she received the script for what became her second production and it was this play that established her – and everyone associated with it. The play was A Streetcar Named Desire by Tennessee Williams; it debuted on Broadway in 1947 to a half-hour standing ovation. According to Irene, the play made director Elia Kazan “a king.” It also made Marlon Brando a star (he went straight to Hollywood after the play and never looked back), brought a Tony Award to Jessica Tandy, who played Blanche Dubois in New York, and a Pulitzer Prize to Williams. The film adaptation would win four Oscars.

Irene was certainly a powerhouse, she went toe-to-toe with the indomitable Kazan when they worked on Streetcar (perhaps second nature to her by now, after dealing with her father and husband). In fact, Tennessee Williams had a habit of referring to her as “Dame Selznick,” apparently acknowledging her pedigree and her demeanor.

Bell, Book and Candle on Broadway
Irene produced several more Broadway plays. Her production of Bell, Book and Candle in 1950 starred Rex Harrison and Lilli Palmer and was adapted to film in 1958 and became a hit starring James Stewart and Kim Novak. Irene’s production of The Chalk Garden in 1955 brought her a Tony nomination; the film adaptation starred Deborah Kerr.

In her memoirs Irene described her life as a play in three acts, the first as her father’s daughter, the second as wife to her husband, and the third act was her career in the theater. She wrote, “With perseverance I’ve gotten this far. Now, with a little more luck, I’d like to grow very old as slowly as possible.” She died in New York in 1990 at age 83.

I’ve really enjoyed this, CFB, and want to thank you for inviting me to discuss Irene Mayer Selznick's incredible story with you.

CFB: You're welcome. Detailing her amazing theater work – which many people may not know  of – is a wonderful way to wrap up a conversation about Irene. She wasn’t just the daughter of mogul Louis B. or the wife of wunderkind David O. She was a tough, sharp and respected Broadway producer, and her stage work alone represents a strong legacy. 

Irene Mayer Selznick
Following is an audio clip of a 1948 radio program that begins with Elia Kazan and Irene Mayer Selznick accepting the New York Drama Critics' "Best American Play" Award for Tennessee Williams. The program goes on to feature portions of the play itself, with narration by Kazan and scenes performed by the original Broadway cast - including Marlon Brando, Kim Hunter and Jessica Tandy:

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  1. Fascinating discussion and a terrific job by both of you as well as a great idea. Other than the fact that she produced A STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE, which I must have read about reading about Kazan or Brando, I knew nothing about her professionally, or otherwise so this was very educational as well as entertaining. Great job to you both!


  2. Thank you, John. I would highly recommend Irene's autobiography, "A Private View" to anyone interested not only in her life but also the history of American movies. Her memories stretch from the infancy of the film industry in the U.S. into the 1960s. Of course, she was pivotal in bringing "A Streetcar Named Desire," a play that had a revolutionary impact on American theater, to the stage...not to mention launching Marlon Brando's career - which, in turn, had a revolutionary impact on acting in this country).

  3. Thank you as well, John. I second Eve's recommendation to read her autobiography. I think you'll really enjoy it.

    TLE, I'm really glad you found that audio clip and included it on the post. Irene actually addresses that clip in her book. Because of her stammer, she was petrified that she had to speak on the radio and rehearsed that short bit over and over. She was relieved that it went well and said it was the last time she ever spoke into a microphone.

  4. Eve and Filmboy, I second John in using the word "fascinating" to describe this post on an unusual and unexpected topic. I'd never heard of her before reading Kazan's autobiography. He worked with her more than once. I got the impression that she wasn't taken very seriously at first but from a base of intelligence and good instincts quickly became a formidable, professional presence in the NY theater scene. The details about her life your discussion added just made her seem all the more interesting.

  5. Awesome conversation on an intriguing individual who had a front seat during the making of some of the greatest films to come out of Hollywood. I especially enjoyed hearing how her father asked for Irene's opinions on his films. In Leonard Jeff's book on Hitch and Selznick's collaborations, he notes that Selznick had great reservations about REBECCA until he showed Irene some of the footage and she assured him it would be a big hit. It's interesting, too, that Selznick made very few films after his divorce from Irene. Looking forward to the next Take 2 installment.

  6. nicely done you two, but is this a real conversation or a "Hollywood" conversation????

  7. I thought this Take 2 idea was wonderful the first time I heard it from CFB. You two have started out with a bang! Your conversational style and insights are a pleasure to read. Irene's early life, in my opinion, mirrors the life of many women of her era. Strong women were always considered "iron willed" - "don't cross her" - that kind of thing, where men were named as just strong and focused. It must have been difficult for a girl to grow up among such incredibly ambitious and strong people, but she really came into her own.

    I too was most interested in her Broadway career. For a woman in that era to produce a play as controversial as A Streetcar Named Desire was an incredible coup. Irene was something special.

    Your Take Two has dont its job, CFB and Eve! I want to read this book! Excellent post from two very talented movie writers! Kudos!

  8. That was a most interesting read, and it sounds like I have to catch up on my reading.

    I know you couldn't comment on everything in her life, but I was wondering what her thoughts on Jennifer Jones were?

  9. Thank you all for the comments and for contributing to the conversation about Irene. Doctor Sabelotodo, I'm not sure if you're joking or not, but this is the transcript from TLE and I discussing Irene. It's the real deal. RD, Rick and Becky, your comments are similar in that she was a strong woman in an era when women fought to be heard, and yet she clearly had something valuable to say, whether it was her opinion on films or her selection of plays to produce. Kevin, she was friendly with Jennifer. If I remember correctly, the marriage was starting to show some cracks when Jennifer showed up. Irene and Jennifer remained on good terms for years.

  10. RD - I have the idea that anyone who didn't take Irene M. Selznick very seriously would change their mind fairly quickly after spending time with her. Filmboy and I scratched the surface of her life, but there is so much more to it...
    Rick - It seems that once Selznick was with Jennifer Jones his obsession was to make her a star and produce vehicles for her. And then his health began to fail.
    Doc - This is a real Hollywood conversation...
    Becky - According to one writer, neither Irene nor Edie ever entirely forgave their father for not allowing them to go to college. Edie then took the more conventional route and Irene eventually blazed a trail. I admire her enormously.
    Kevin - I hope you will check out Irene's autobiography! Irene was well aware that Jennifer Jones was not Selznick's first paramour (nor the first he wanted to make a star) but the timing of it was such that Irene was ready to call it quits by the time those two were seeing each other. The true casualty in the affair between Selznick and Jones was her husband, Robert Walker.

  11. Very interesting post, I love learning more about the Hollywood actors.Looking forward to readind the next installment.

  12. Well, I had to come back - your responses are interesting too! CFB, I didn't think to mention it in my first comment, but I really felt I could understand Irene when you quoted her as saying that her parents had given her everything except self worth. It explains a lot about why she was so upset about not being able to go to college, which frankly was not strange in those days when women were expected to just get married anyway, and college sometimes was looked at as a place where parents could not control the actions and morals of their daughters. It is amazing she, unlike her sister, came through this so completely. Frankly, Irene reminds me of my grandmother in that way.

    Eve, I've always felt so badly for Robert Walker. He was so fragile mentally anyway, treating himself with alcohol as so many people with chronic depression did in the days before medication, then to lose his wife in such a public way must have been fuel to the fire. Fans magazines and movie star lovers forget that behind the "great romances" are people left shattered and heartbroken. There are so many examples of this in Hollywood.

    Now you've got me more interested in reading this book!

  13. Thanks, Dawn. CFB will be talking with other bloggers on other subjects for future Take 2 posts.

    Becky - Mayer had the means to send both girls to college and they were of a social class of women that did continue education in that era. But LB and his wife were extremely possessive and I think your point about losing the ability to control a daughter's actions from afar has much to do with why he refused. He may have wished he'd sent Irene to school, though, once she became serious about Selznick...

  14. Wonderful insights! I know very little about Irene Mayer Selznick, but it sounds like she had quite an interesting life. I will definitely have to read more about her.

  15. Jill - Irene's autobiography is excellent, and a great place to start to get to know her (once I became aware of Irene, I noticed that her name seemed to crop up everywhere). Very glad our conversation sparked your interest.

  16. I will definitely add to my to-read list. Thanks for the suggestion!

  17. Becky, I also feel bad about Robert Walker. Irene forged on with her life, but Robert died young. Very tragic.

    I second TLE's comment about adding this autobiography to your reading list. I guarantee you won't be disappointed.

  18. This is an awesome biography by a very powerful lady. I'll be she was something! A great post - Bravo!

  19. Thanks FlickChick. Irene was certainly a very powerful,influential woman. According to one of the biographers of Tennessee Williams, she was also very generous: She provided "...all the support and creative freedom he needed..." and "arranged for him to have his choice of residences" among her houses - one on Summit Dr., a beach house and a bungalow in Malibu - when Williams went to California to see Jessica Tandy in a play. Of Irene, the biographer noted, too, that "there was no doubt she loved the play and was moved by its tragic grandeur..."

  20. I just discovered this post today (linked from and wanted to take a moment to add my applause! I discovered Irene's autobiog a few years ago and was so impressed that I wanted to include her in my novel "The Trouble with Scarlett" which is set in Hollywood against the search to cast Scarlett O'Hara. I was so impressed that Irene that she made so much of her life instead of just becoming the vacuous Hollywood princess her sister became that it made me long to have met her. I think she's someone I'd have enjoyed getting to know. Thanks for such an interesting post! (I posted a link to it on my Facebook page as it's exactly the sort of thing my followers would enjoy reading as much as I did.)

  21. Martin, Thanks for stopping by - I appreciate your comment and the facebook link (and for the introduction to I posted a piece a while ago on Preston Struges. It was prompted by a blurb in Vanity Fair on the new Pink Taco restaurant in Hollywood - formerly the site of Sturges's restaurant/bar/hangout, The Players. Both Chateau Marmont and The Garden of Allah figured prominently in the post. Will send you a link on Twitter. See what you think. Thanks again for visiting. "The Trouble with Scarlett" is now on my must-read list...

  22. I interacted with Irene during the summer of 1947. Just graduated from Harvard College, she hired me to supervise Danny and Jeffrey. In fact, she only wanted them away from the house, and never

    David was living, separately with Jennifer Jones.

    She resented time spent with her boys. They both were in therapy.
    I thought her a sad excuse for a mother. When she insisted that I participate in the boys' psychotherapy, I decided to leave the situation .

    I was too young and inexperienced for this responsibility. And, coming from a stable family the sick relationship was beyond my ability to cope. I left with a great feeling of sadness for the teen age boys without a loving parent.

    1. these revelations hardly surprise.

      i too adored irene's book (as well as berg's). i too found irene & edith utterly fascinating, but ultimately kind of hideous. self-centered & egocentric, both women were both examples of over indulgence. i especially enjoyed irene's foray as a social worker during the war. buying her dress off the rack & a beater for a car, she lived the role & became the actress she must've always wanted to be. edith was appalled.

      don't get me wrong, i'm enthralled by these women, but i can't admire them when i know they'd think of me as a washroom attendant.

  23. I read Mrs Selznick's book when it first cam out. I thought it was wonderful, I thought she was wonderful. After reading about her as a character in so many other Hollywood biographies it was a treat to read that she emerged from Hollywood and became her own person. I was going to write her a fan letter but I found she was listed in the New York phone directory.

    I called and the maid put her on. "I really liked your book and I wanted to tell you so. I was going to write..." then she interupted... "Oh I wish you had, thank you", then she hung up.

    I was delighted all the same.

    1. Love that you actually spoke with her, albeit briefly. Well, Irene was a straightforward, no-nonsense woman - and, obviously, gracious. Thanks for stopping by and sharing your story.

  24. What can I say after all the above except to quote her father, "A smash!"

  25. I've had an interest in both Selznick's since I was a teenager. Two more talented, dynamic Hollywood people would be hard to find. For the years they were married they were a real power couple. I was delighted with Irene's autobiography and gushing with enthusiasm, I wanted to tell he how much I liked it. Incredibly she was listed the New York phone book, living in The Pierre. So I called one morning and asked for Mrs. Selznick. A moment later a very deep voice came on the line "This is Mrs. Selznick..."I went on briefly how much I liked her book, wanted to tell her so I called rather than writing. She replied. "Thank you but I wish you'd written". So I wrapped it up and that was it. She had put mje in my place.